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Every time I hit the nutz on the flop or turn and have an aggressive player still in it, I try to trap. It seems like almost every time, they suck out. I guess there's nothin to do since if I bet, they'd call anyway. My latest "put me on tilt" suckout, a step 3 sitngo at absolute, down to 5, I'm near the chip lead. Aggressive donkey to my left has been gettin lucky whole tourney and is chip leader. I have and A of diamonds (not suited) and flop is all diamonds and I hit my second card (a Jack) for top pair. I bet (1/2 pot) knowing he'd call. Tried to keep it small enough to look like the diamonds scared me. The turn is a diamond, I pause and check. Of course he puts a pot size bet. I just smooth call. And of course, my only fear, the river pairs the board. I know I'm prob. beat, so I check, he bets huge bet, I have to call, of course he has 8 9 off, for the full house. I beginning to believe online poker uses juiced decks, LOL.
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madjek wrote: Every time I hit the nutz on the flop or turn and have an aggressive player still in it, I try to trap. It seems like almost every time, they suck out. I guess there's nothin to do since if I bet, they'd call anyway. My latest "put me on tilt" suckout, a step 3 sitngo at absolute, down to 5, I'm near the chip lead. Aggressive donkey to my left has been gettin lucky whole tourney and is chip leader. I have and A of diamonds (not suited) and flop is all diamonds and I hit my second card (a Jack) for top pair. I bet (1/2 pot) knowing he'd call. Tried to keep it small enough to look like the diamonds scared me. The turn is a diamond, I pause and check. Of course he puts a pot size bet. I just smooth call. And of course, my only fear, the river pairs the board. I know I'm prob. beat, so I check, he bets huge bet, I have to call, of course he has 8 9 off, for the full house. I beginning to believe online poker uses juiced decks, LOL.
Well here's the thing. ANY trap runs the risk of being beaten because your going to have to play all five cards. If you flop the absolute nuts it is rare that anyone is going to stick a nickel in the pot. The reason is: no one else has any thing close to a winning hand. Therefore, if your running a trap and getting action your opponent must have a drawing hand. He knows you have something or you wouldn't call. So when the river hits you have to ask yourself....do I still hold the nuts? usually that answer is NO. I rarely try to trap anymore with marginal hands. Straights and flushes are notorious for getting beaten on the river. Your opponent ends up trapping you with these hands. Believe me, you were not going to push him out of that pot. If I was chip leader and held a set after a three diamond flop, I'm calling. No need to trap here. I'm 36% after the flop....same as a flush draw only I'm drawing to a rock solid hand.
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madjek wrote: Every time I hit the nutz on the flop or turn and have an aggressive player still in it, I try to trap. It seems like almost every time, they suck out. I guess there's nothin to do since if I bet, they'd call anyway. My latest "put me on tilt" suckout, a step 3 sitngo at absolute, down to 5, I'm near the chip lead. Aggressive donkey to my left has been gettin lucky whole tourney and is chip leader. I have and A of diamonds (not suited) and flop is all diamonds and I hit my second card (a Jack) for top pair. I bet (1/2 pot) knowing he'd call. Tried to keep it small enough to look like the diamonds scared me. The turn is a diamond, I pause and check. Of course he puts a pot size bet. I just smooth call. And of course, my only fear, the river pairs the board. I know I'm prob. beat, so I check, he bets huge bet, I have to call, of course he has 8 9 off, for the full house. I beginning to believe online poker uses juiced decks, LOL.
Very correct tall seas. I had the nut on the turn with a King high straight with no chance of a flush coming up. I push in as many chips as pot limit allows and get that caller. Lickin my chops salivating over a hi payout. Sure enough on the river a second 5 appears. I am still excited with my King high straight, and the other guy has a 55599 full house.
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eberetta1 wrote: Very correct tall seas. I had the nut on the turn with a King high straight with no chance of a flush coming up. I push in as many chips as pot limit allows and get that caller. Lickin my chops salivating over a hi payout. Sure enough on the river a second 5 appears. I am still excited with my King high straight, and the other guy has a 55599 full house.
The Nutz

The Perceived Nuts versus the Nuts.
Momentary Nuts.
Positional Nuts.
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My point is only that so many players think they are on the receiving end of a bad beat or lose when they think they should win. The nuts are only the nuts on the river. The Board does as it does. Just like AA looks so good, but when there are more cards to be dealt it is nothing more then a pair.

Board texture and the remaining cards are what determine the winning hand.

I never have the nuts until all the cards are dealt.
Nuts on the River.
:thumbsup
At that point try to extract all you can from your remaining opponents.
Then the chips are there way.
Trapping without the nuts >> Gets you what it gets you.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Won.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Lost.

Just my thoughts.
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Roller wrote: The Nutz

The Perceived Nuts versus the Nuts.
Momentary Nuts.
Positional Nuts.
πŸ˜‰

My point is only that so many players think they are on the receiving end of a bad beat or lose when they think they should win. The nuts are only the nuts on the river. The Board does as it does. Just like AA looks so good, but when there are more cards to be dealt it is nothing more then a pair.

Board texture and the remaining cards are what determine the winning hand.

I never have the nuts until all the cards are dealt.
Nuts on the River.
:thumbsup
At that point try to extract all you can from your remaining opponents.
Then the chips are there way.
Trapping without the nuts >> Gets you what it gets you.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Won.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Lost.

Just my thoughts.
Yep-good points being made. I don't know how many times I have flopped a straight, slow played it, and eventually lost the hand. It seems to happen pretty often, so the "trap" is not a good idea for me when I flop a straight.
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Roller wrote: The Nutz

The Perceived Nuts versus the Nuts.
Momentary Nuts.
Positional Nuts.
πŸ˜‰

My point is only that so many players think they are on the receiving end of a bad beat or lose when they think they should win. The nuts are only the nuts on the river. The Board does as it does. Just like AA looks so good, but when there are more cards to be dealt it is nothing more then a pair.

Board texture and the remaining cards are what determine the winning hand.

I never have the nuts until all the cards are dealt.
Nuts on the River.
:thumbsup
At that point try to extract all you can from your remaining opponents.
Then the chips are there way.
Trapping without the nuts >> Gets you what it gets you.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Won.
Sometimes a Big Pot is Lost.

Just my thoughts.
The Nutz

The Perceived Nuts versus the Nuts.
Momentary Nuts.
Positional Nuts.
πŸ˜‰



I never have the nuts until all the cards are dealt.

Sometimes a Big Pot is Lost.

Just my thoughts.

it just happened to me
had an 87 w / 3887 on the board
looked like I couldnt be touched
especially w/ a 9 on the river

thats why I am here
cuz, I am out of that game
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decker wrote: Yep-good points being made. I don't know how many times I have flopped a straight, slow played it, and eventually lost the hand. It seems to happen pretty often, so the "trap" is not a good idea for me when I flop a straight.
Yep-good points being made. I don't know how many times I have flopped a straight, slow played it, and eventually lost the hand. It seems to happen pretty often, so the "trap" is not a good idea for me when I flop a straight.
[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]Pretty much the story of my entire night. Every time I tried to slow-play/trap I ended up getting rivered. Ah, well, maybe tomorrow it's my turn to be the river rat. . .
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SycoSteve wrote: Yep-good points being made. I don't know how many times I have flopped a straight, slow played it, and eventually lost the hand. It seems to happen pretty often, so the "trap" is not a good idea for me when I flop a straight.
[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]Pretty much the story of my entire night. Every time I tried to slow-play/trap I ended up getting rivered. Ah, well, maybe tomorrow it's my turn to be the river rat. . .
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Seems to always happen. I used to play strong hands super aggressive when I hit the flop, but usually get no callers. So I started trying to trap, and like I said above, getting tired of letting players beat me on the river. Guess the best way is to value bet big hands, at least if you think they sucked out, you still have some chips left. That's why poker is such a great game, so many diffeerent ways to play, they all can work sometimes, just gotta figure out what works best over long haul, maybe a combination. Any one figures it out before me, let me know. LOL
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madjek wrote: Seems to always happen. I used to play strong hands super aggressive when I hit the flop, but usually get no callers. So I started trying to trap, and like I said above, getting tired of letting players beat me on the river. Guess the best way is to value bet big hands, at least if you think they sucked out, you still have some chips left. That's why poker is such a great game, so many diffeerent ways to play, they all can work sometimes, just gotta figure out what works best over long haul, maybe a combination. Any one figures it out before me, let me know. LOL
Seems to always happen. I used to play strong hands super aggressive when I hit the flop, but usually get no callers. So I started trying to trap, and like I said above, getting tired of letting players beat me on the river. Guess the best way is to value bet big hands, at least if you think they sucked out, you still have some chips left. That's why poker is such a great game, so many diffeerent ways to play, they all can work sometimes, just gotta figure out what works best over long haul, maybe a combination. Any one figures it out before me, let me know. LOL


I have said it once and ill say it again. It doesnt matter how well you play, it will still boil down to you have to go all in with an acceptable hand, and finding that although you have the stronger hand, the other guy who has 2,7offsuit will flop a full house (unless you happen to be in the designated seat and win.
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moneylife wrote: Seems to always happen. I used to play strong hands super aggressive when I hit the flop, but usually get no callers. So I started trying to trap, and like I said above, getting tired of letting players beat me on the river. Guess the best way is to value bet big hands, at least if you think they sucked out, you still have some chips left. That's why poker is such a great game, so many diffeerent ways to play, they all can work sometimes, just gotta figure out what works best over long haul, maybe a combination. Any one figures it out before me, let me know. LOL


I have said it once and ill say it again. It doesnt matter how well you play, it will still boil down to you have to go all in with an acceptable hand, and finding that although you have the stronger hand, the other guy who has 2,7offsuit will flop a full house (unless you happen to be in the designated seat and win.
I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
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Dorginne wrote: I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
You have to play the trap to make money, sometimes it works. you win some you lose some but, you want action if you hit a good flop. it boils down to how much you bet. ive learned checking is not a good option, you need to put chips in the pot. just enough to keep the weaker hand in.
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Skankman29 wrote: You have to play the trap to make money, sometimes it works. you win some you lose some but, you want action if you hit a good flop. it boils down to how much you bet. ive learned checking is not a good option, you need to put chips in the pot. just enough to keep the weaker hand in.
The dilema about setting traps is: you have to be careful, or you'll become the mouse.

When the river comes you may not wan't the cheese, just out of the trap!

I won my 1st omaha tourney with just such a hand. My opponent was holding AA7J and opened with a 3bb raise. It's heads up with only 116 chips difference in the stack size. I call holding 9433. Flop 8A3. She has the nuts and sets her trap. Turn is another 3! She is the mouse! Meaningless Q on the river. GG all.
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Dorginne wrote: I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
I agree with the sentiment that the 'nuts' is not the 'nuts' until all five cards are on the board.
also, it is definitely better to win a small pot than lose a big one.

taking these factors into account, the trap is more often than not , not worth it.
the best, well lets say the 'book' move is to bet a hand when u have it.
chances are someone is playing bad and will call anyway.
If this is the case 'n they still suck out, well at least you didnt give them the right price to do it.
Dont get me wrong, the check/raise is a very powerful move and pos ev as well but, most times the right move is to bet it.
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madjek wrote: Every time I hit the nutz on the flop or turn and have an aggressive player still in it, I try to trap. It seems like almost every time, they suck out. I guess there's nothin to do since if I bet, they'd call anyway. My latest "put me on tilt" suckout, a step 3 sitngo at absolute, down to 5, I'm near the chip lead. Aggressive donkey to my left has been gettin lucky whole tourney and is chip leader. I have and A of diamonds (not suited) and flop is all diamonds and I hit my second card (a Jack) for top pair. I bet (1/2 pot) knowing he'd call. Tried to keep it small enough to look like the diamonds scared me. The turn is a diamond, I pause and check. Of course he puts a pot size bet. I just smooth call. And of course, my only fear, the river pairs the board. I know I'm prob. beat, so I check, he bets huge bet, I have to call, of course he has 8 9 off, for the full house. I beginning to believe online poker uses juiced decks, LOL.
It only works if the other player is not on a draw, or if you know hes a loose player. some tables the trap is just not a good play.
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Dorginne wrote: I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
The trap can payoff in a case like yours if they dont hit or if you have the nuts but if theres a chance tey got you beat u gotta think about theyre previous plays if there pretty loose then id call a huge bet from them but if the river makes it so they can have you beat and they play like they do then you have to take that into consideration
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Dorginne wrote: I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
If I'm going to trap I'll check raise, never check call. A call really just makes it look like you're drawing on the hand...I think I would've check raised the flop to make him scared of the flush, rather than it looking like you were the one afraid, especially with top pair top kicker from the flop. Yeah you wound up doomed either way, but I think the threat of drawing against a possibly made hand may have made him change his mind. Although if he really was a donkey he'd probably call you anyways, meh c'est la vie
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Dorginne wrote: I love trapping and trying to win a huge pot. But I play on PDC and you have to have a policy of winning a small pot is better than losing a big one. I have seen so many crazy hands occur on that site I do not try to trap very often.
I don't like to trap.

It happens to me this suckouts when I try too...
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madjek wrote: Every time I hit the nutz on the flop or turn and have an aggressive player still in it, I try to trap. It seems like almost every time, they suck out. I guess there's nothin to do since if I bet, they'd call anyway. My latest "put me on tilt" suckout, a step 3 sitngo at absolute, down to 5, I'm near the chip lead. Aggressive donkey to my left has been gettin lucky whole tourney and is chip leader. I have and A of diamonds (not suited) and flop is all diamonds and I hit my second card (a Jack) for top pair. I bet (1/2 pot) knowing he'd call. Tried to keep it small enough to look like the diamonds scared me. The turn is a diamond, I pause and check. Of course he puts a pot size bet. I just smooth call. And of course, my only fear, the river pairs the board. I know I'm prob. beat, so I check, he bets huge bet, I have to call, of course he has 8 9 off, for the full house. I beginning to believe online poker uses juiced decks, LOL.
I think the trap is only effective when you have an extremely strong hand. Otherwise i bet with top pair to get out people waiting for free cards.
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