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I'm beginning to think sit n goes require a little more luck to cash in then mtt's. MTT's seem to hit the bubble and you can still play poker. Sit n goes it seems like once it gets down to 5 (9 or 10 seat sng), everyone tightens up. Players seem to take turns pushing preflop to keep from getting blinded out until two players get a good hand and both go allin preflop. Unless you play the beginner sng's or double up ones where half the field cashes. Anyone have continued success playing sng's, and if so, how do you do it?
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madjek wrote: I'm beginning to think sit n goes require a little more luck to cash in then mtt's. MTT's seem to hit the bubble and you can still play poker. Sit n goes it seems like once it gets down to 5 (9 or 10 seat sng), everyone tightens up. Players seem to take turns pushing preflop to keep from getting blinded out until two players get a good hand and both go allin preflop. Unless you play the beginner sng's or double up ones where half the field cashes. Anyone have continued success playing sng's, and if so, how do you do it?
Your success depends on you ability to read the table. You must pay attention to your opponents moves here in these sng's. You are going to get down to 4 players and then it becomes a matter of playing your opponent rather than your cards. You need to determine who are the callers and who are the tight wads. I frequently make notes on players early in the action. "This guy calls everything preflop" "this guy only plays strong hands"'This guy over bets his hands" "will go all in on 2nd pair" etc. It will help you later in the action.Try to avoid turbos unless you are in a gambling mood.You will have much less time to evaluate and strategize.
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tallseas wrote: Your success depends on you ability to read the table. You must pay attention to your opponents moves here in these sng's. You are going to get down to 4 players and then it becomes a matter of playing your opponent rather than your cards. You need to determine who are the callers and who are the tight wads. I frequently make notes on players early in the action. "This guy calls everything preflop" "this guy only plays strong hands"'This guy over bets his hands" "will go all in on 2nd pair" etc. It will help you later in the action.Try to avoid turbos unless you are in a gambling mood.You will have much less time to evaluate and strategize.
Your success depends on you ability to read the table. You must pay attention to your opponents moves here in these sng's. You are going to get down to 4 players and then it becomes a matter of playing your opponent rather than your cards. You need to determine who are the callers and who are the tight wads. I frequently make notes on players early in the action. "This guy calls everything preflop" "this guy only plays strong hands"'This guy over bets his hands" "will go all in on 2nd pair" etc. It will help you later in the action.Try to avoid turbos unless you are in a gambling mood.You will have much less time to evaluate and strategize.

Nice post-that is some good advice. :thumbsup
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decker wrote: Your success depends on you ability to read the table. You must pay attention to your opponents moves here in these sng's. You are going to get down to 4 players and then it becomes a matter of playing your opponent rather than your cards. You need to determine who are the callers and who are the tight wads. I frequently make notes on players early in the action. "This guy calls everything preflop" "this guy only plays strong hands"'This guy over bets his hands" "will go all in on 2nd pair" etc. It will help you later in the action.Try to avoid turbos unless you are in a gambling mood.You will have much less time to evaluate and strategize.

Nice post-that is some good advice. :thumbsup
I think MTT require much more luck than Sit n go's. In a sit n go you only have to survive a few allins if any. In an MTT you need to get good hands or hit many cards.
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Dorginne wrote: I think MTT require much more luck than Sit n go's. In a sit n go you only have to survive a few allins if any. In an MTT you need to get good hands or hit many cards.
I think MTT require much more luck than Sit n go's. In a sit n go you only have to survive a few allins if any. In an MTT you need to get good hands or hit many cards.

I don't know, seems to me in mtt's the mindset of other players is different. I seem to be able to build my stack a lot easier early in mtt's rather than sng's. Seems that everyone is playing real tight in sng's. You can always find a loose player in mtts and just wait until you get a good hand and trap into giving you most his chips. Not every time of course, but more often than sng's. But I guess you're right though when it comes to cashing, once you get close to that, the mtt's always tighten up, even in fr's. I kinda think of sng's are the same as playin near the bubble in a mtt, both are pretty difficult, require patience, and need a some luck.
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madjek wrote: I think MTT require much more luck than Sit n go's. In a sit n go you only have to survive a few allins if any. In an MTT you need to get good hands or hit many cards.

I don't know, seems to me in mtt's the mindset of other players is different. I seem to be able to build my stack a lot easier early in mtt's rather than sng's. Seems that everyone is playing real tight in sng's. You can always find a loose player in mtts and just wait until you get a good hand and trap into giving you most his chips. Not every time of course, but more often than sng's. But I guess you're right though when it comes to cashing, once you get close to that, the mtt's always tighten up, even in fr's. I kinda think of sng's are the same as playin near the bubble in a mtt, both are pretty difficult, require patience, and need a some luck.
Taking notes is pivotal playing sngs. As you'll find the same players playing on the same schedules and limits more and more as you accumulate your notes.
Eventually you will be able to play a set of sngs 'n find you've got notes on over half your competition.
keys to taking notes are remembering the context if yer note is vague, 'n amending notes that are misleading or mistaken. note range of hands 'n betting patterns. call/fold ranges, any 'trick' plays like limping w aces or kings er somethin, checkraise/folds,

A player can be overwhelmed trying to get it all down but be assured, you dont have to. a little note here, a little note there, they add up 'n what you will get, more and more as you get better at taking and reading your notes, Is very useful information.

U can use onsite note functions which are convienient or a notepad, maybe a wordpad doc so you can search a players screen name.
Maybe both in conjunction, i dunno, whatever works for u 😁

oh 'n mathematically, you definitely have to be "luckier" on the whole in large field mtts than you do in sngs.
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Lake1771 wrote: Taking notes is pivotal playing sngs. As you'll find the same players playing on the same schedules and limits more and more as you accumulate your notes.
Eventually you will be able to play a set of sngs 'n find you've got notes on over half your competition.
keys to taking notes are remembering the context if yer note is vague, 'n amending notes that are misleading or mistaken. note range of hands 'n betting patterns. call/fold ranges, any 'trick' plays like limping w aces or kings er somethin, checkraise/folds,

A player can be overwhelmed trying to get it all down but be assured, you dont have to. a little note here, a little note there, they add up 'n what you will get, more and more as you get better at taking and reading your notes, Is very useful information.

U can use onsite note functions which are convienient or a notepad, maybe a wordpad doc so you can search a players screen name.
Maybe both in conjunction, i dunno, whatever works for u 😁

oh 'n mathematically, you definitely have to be "luckier" on the whole in large field mtts than you do in sngs.
Taking notes is pivotal playing sngs. As you'll find the same players playing on the same schedules and limits more and more as you accumulate your notes.
Eventually you will be able to play a set of sngs 'n find you've got notes on over half your competition.
keys to taking notes are remembering the context if yer note is vague, 'n amending notes that are misleading or mistaken. note range of hands 'n betting patterns. call/fold ranges, any 'trick' plays like limping w aces or kings er somethin, checkraise/folds,

A player can be overwhelmed trying to get it all down but be assured, you dont have to. a little note here, a little note there, they add up 'n what you will get, more and more as you get better at taking and reading your notes, Is very useful information.

U can use onsite note functions which are convienient or a notepad, maybe a wordpad doc so you can search a players screen name.
Maybe both in conjunction, i dunno, whatever works for u 😁

oh 'n mathematically, you definitely have to be "luckier" on the whole in large field mtts than you do in sngs.

This is one of the main reasons I play at Fulltilt. Is because of the great note take abilities all you have to do is right click on usernames and a box will pop up with all the information you need to put about a player. And you can also color code them and make up whatever class of player they are defined by colors. And yes! SNG are a lot better to play than MTT's the variance is much much lower. Just keep playing and keep making notes eventually you will get into games where you know how all of your opponents are playing and make sure to detail your opponents as much as you can for future reference. Also a little trick I learned if someone gets knocked out of tourney you are in and you did not get a chance to mark any info on them. You can just click on LAST HAND button on FTP in the upper right hand corner and and be able to right click there username there and take down some notes on how they played the hand etc.
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REALITYPOKER wrote: Taking notes is pivotal playing sngs. As you'll find the same players playing on the same schedules and limits more and more as you accumulate your notes.
Eventually you will be able to play a set of sngs 'n find you've got notes on over half your competition.
keys to taking notes are remembering the context if yer note is vague, 'n amending notes that are misleading or mistaken. note range of hands 'n betting patterns. call/fold ranges, any 'trick' plays like limping w aces or kings er somethin, checkraise/folds,

A player can be overwhelmed trying to get it all down but be assured, you dont have to. a little note here, a little note there, they add up 'n what you will get, more and more as you get better at taking and reading your notes, Is very useful information.

U can use onsite note functions which are convienient or a notepad, maybe a wordpad doc so you can search a players screen name.
Maybe both in conjunction, i dunno, whatever works for u 😁

oh 'n mathematically, you definitely have to be "luckier" on the whole in large field mtts than you do in sngs.

This is one of the main reasons I play at Fulltilt. Is because of the great note take abilities all you have to do is right click on usernames and a box will pop up with all the information you need to put about a player. And you can also color code them and make up whatever class of player they are defined by colors. And yes! SNG are a lot better to play than MTT's the variance is much much lower. Just keep playing and keep making notes eventually you will get into games where you know how all of your opponents are playing and make sure to detail your opponents as much as you can for future reference. Also a little trick I learned if someone gets knocked out of tourney you are in and you did not get a chance to mark any info on them. You can just click on LAST HAND button on FTP in the upper right hand corner and and be able to right click there username there and take down some notes on how they played the hand etc.
You can just click on LAST HAND button on FTP in the upper right hand corner and and be able to right click there username there and take down some notes on how they played the hand etc.

Didn't know that. THANK YOU:thumbsup
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tallseas wrote: You can just click on LAST HAND button on FTP in the upper right hand corner and and be able to right click there username there and take down some notes on how they played the hand etc.

Didn't know that. THANK YOU:thumbsup
You can do that on most sites, hit the last hand button, or the replay button, whatever they call it.
If a player was in the hand at showdown, regardless of weather they showed their losing hand or not, you can see their hole cards.
Valuable information for sure.
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Lake1771 wrote: You can do that on most sites, hit the last hand button, or the replay button, whatever they call it.
If a player was in the hand at showdown, regardless of weather they showed their losing hand or not, you can see their hole cards.
Valuable information for sure.
Play very tight

Don't cold call.

Be slightly more aggressive blind stealing but don't be obvious

When others tighten near the bubble become aggressive, the binds alone by now are worth collecting.

When in the pot have a purpose, if you raise pre-flop be pre-pared to go to the showdown at least 60% of the time.😁
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okeedokalee wrote: Play very tight

Don't cold call.

Be slightly more aggressive blind stealing but don't be obvious

When others tighten near the bubble become aggressive, the binds alone by now are worth collecting.

When in the pot have a purpose, if you raise pre-flop be pre-pared to go to the showdown at least 60% of the time.😁
Well i have success by playing in Sit N Goes becuase by playing in them u get points that u can use to get into other freerolls and if u place in those tournaments while keeping a steady even in the Sit N Goes u can win money by placing in the freerolls...i hope this helps!
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madjek wrote: I'm beginning to think sit n goes require a little more luck to cash in then mtt's. MTT's seem to hit the bubble and you can still play poker. Sit n goes it seems like once it gets down to 5 (9 or 10 seat sng), everyone tightens up. Players seem to take turns pushing preflop to keep from getting blinded out until two players get a good hand and both go allin preflop. Unless you play the beginner sng's or double up ones where half the field cashes. Anyone have continued success playing sng's, and if so, how do you do it?
Somewhat true, ive pretty much given up on sit and goes. there just frustrating
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